but if we ever get into the situation where we're able to use deadlier weapons against one of our cities, we'll have hundreds of thousands of casualties to worry about. so do you say, well, we'll do enough to make certain that we got 95% probability we can stop? is that enough? are you willing to accept that 5%. >> rose: a couple points. one is that leon panetta said in fact when they asked him about "zero dark thirty" he said eve without those techques we would have eventually have gotten osama bin laden. >> what's he base that on? >> rose: his judgment as former secretary of defense and former director of the c.i.a. this is this is a man you said you respect. >> i do respect him. we were republicans together back in the nixon administration but i think that you would eventually have gotten him but that was not our only objective. what about the fact that al qaeda was still out there and they were trying to acquire nuclear materi? >>ose: do yo have gre admiration for the president in the situation room when he made the call he did? and had put together the continuation of some of the sa